"my discoveries" rogue

[bobfunland]

While I appreciate the help in padding my discoveries, I must confess that I have never wardriven in Olkahoma City. The lone "wireless network" appears to be an aberration (but my gps puck came with M$ streets&trips so I suppose anything is possible.)

[Dutch]

Zoom in on it, hope the SSID is something that you can search easily on, then do a query on it, and check the lastseen date, to see if it corresponds with a date you might have detected it.
If not, it might be, that somebody wardriving in that area has detected it, after the owner relocated from your neck'o'the'woods.

Dutch

[bobfunland]

That's gonna be a tough one, the name of the ap is "wireless network", I have dozens of those ssids in my logs. It is very possible the somebody could have moved since the time it was discovered by me. I had not thought of that possibility.

[mark571]

That's gonna be a tough one, the name of the ap is "wireless network", I have dozens of those ssids in my logs. It is very possible the somebody could have moved since the time it was discovered by me. I had not thought of that possibility.

I've got more and more points showing up in places I've never stumbled every day. People are very mobile these days and they take their wireless equipment with them when they move. Here's some from OKC that might be yours.

You can do the same thing with the JiGLE client but I already had all the counties at hand so I saved you some time.

netid firsttime lastupdt
00:11:24:00:ac:5b 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20060212135441
00:11:95:38:db:af 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20060123223701
02:00:b0:d0:0f:a3 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20051008004524
02:0e:35:4d:84:e6 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20050430003806
02:12:f0:00:01:48 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20060309090503
02:20:89:e9:6f:b3 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20050525192726
da:67:f1:4e:da:0e 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20050517172642
02:0e:7b:72:02:fb 2004-04-23 02:16:22 20050122123429

Last edited by mark571 on Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:59 pm, edited 2 times in total.

[bobfunland]

Unfortunately, my data is all locked up inside a shipping container at the moment, heading for a very special place that I hope to become very fond of for the next year, but here is a close up of the offending point.

I must imagine people have had similar issues with the APs in the Sears service trucks I've heard about.

netid firsttime lastupdt
00:11:24:00:ac:5b 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20060212135441
00:11:95:38:db:af 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20060123223701
02:00:b0:d0:0f:a3 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20051008004524
02:0e:35:4d:84:e6 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20050430003806
02:12:f0:00:01:48 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20060309090503
02:20:89:e9:6f:b3 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20050525192726
da:67:f1:4e:da:0e 0000-00-00 00:00:00 20050517172642
02:0e:7b:72:02:fb 2004-04-23 02:16:22 20050122123429

It's probably one of the ones in bold, since I didn't start stumbling until the summer of 2005



I had no idea so many people had houseboats! Which brings up an interesting question, given the distance involved from where I stumbled to its current location, how much weight does wigle assign to various observations when triangulating a location? And is the AP really in Oklahoma at all?

[uhtu]

just to be clear folks: wigle does not know or care where an AP *is*.

we only create an aggregate approximate position based on estimated observations provided via corrupt logfiles from broken software and faultily synched GPS devices.

..that's before it ever touches our doors :-)

you /will/ see wierdness. it happens. over time things get either less wierd, or more wierd, as they are seen by more people.

[bobfunland]

Interesting, sort of a Where's George of wifi. I've got another one of my discoveries pop up near Seattle, WA.

[Dutch]

Interesting, sort of a Where's George of wifi. I've got another one of my discoveries pop up near Seattle, WA.

I've found several of my discoveries popping up in the States, eventhough they were detected in Denmark.
Most of them were adhoc or probe networks, meaning they probably were tourist/businessmen with laptops at hotels in Copenhagen, and they were later detected at home by some fellow wardriver.

So now I'm going to post to the conspiracy theory forums, that Wigle is in reality a Big Brother system set up by some TLA, to track people with laptops all over the world.. I bet if we started to dig in bobzilla, arkasha and uhtu's backgrounds they will turn out to be government employees from out of Langley, VA...


Dutch

[uhtu]

wigle is actually a *five* letter acronym, but who's counting?

[Dutch]

wigle is actually a *five* letter acronym, but who's counting?

I know that, but thats just a cover to hide the TLA's behind WiGLE.. You have been sussed out..

Dutch

[uhtu]

i can neither confirm nor deny that my employer has a three letter acronym.

if questioned, the secretary of the Future Farmers of America will disavow any knowledge of my actions...

..the defect in this one is bleach.

[bobfunland]

i can neither confirm nor deny that my employer has a three letter acronym.

if questioned, the secretary of the Future Farmers of America will disavow any knowledge of my actions...

..the defect in this one is bleach.

No, that can't be it. It MUST be the Boy Scouts of America.

Fallout Boy: Billowing backpacks, Radioactive Man: it's the worst
villain of them all -- the Scoutmaster!
Radioactive Man: I see him, Fallout Boy.
Scoutmaster: [a la Paul Lynde] Go get 'em, scouts.
[Batman music plays as a large fight ensues]
Don't be afraid to use your nails, boys! [laughs]
[with each huge punch, onomatopoetic sounds appear:
ZUFF! PAN! SNUH! BORT! POOO! NEWT! MINT! ZAK!]
[a bunch of women run on and start boogying, as do
Radioactive Man, Fallout Boy, and all the scouts]

[Blaze312]

I've got some points showing up in Texas, and I have never war driven in Texas before. Yet I find it hard to believe that 4 or 5 people moved from my state to the very close to the same area in TX.

[Dutch]

I've got some points showing up in Texas, and I have never war driven in Texas before. Yet I find it hard to believe that 4 or 5 people moved from my state to the very close to the same area in TX

I did some investigating on the networks I have detected, that had migrated from Denmark to Holland, Germany, and the US.

Of the 56932 networks with GPS I have detected first, 39 of them has migrated, and all except one of them being probe or ad-hoc networks.

This leads me to believe that they mainly have been tourists/businessmen with WiFi enabled laptops, and was detected while staying here at some hotel.
They have then been detected by some fellow wardriver after they have returned home. As those detections has taken place later than my initial detection, and the large distance between the initial detection and the new detection, Wigle doesn't use it's normal position algorithm, but places them at the new location.

Same thing probably applies to your Texan points. You'll probably find that they are mainly probe/ad-hoc networks, if you do a query on them.

Dutch

[bobfunland]

I've got some points showing up in Texas, and I have never war driven in Texas before. Yet I find it hard to believe that 4 or 5 people moved from my state to the very close to the same area in TX.

In all likely hood, the number of people that have moved or traveled is probably alot higher and they are just waiting to be restumbled. Futhermore, considering the demographic of the population that I've stumbled in, I'm suprised that I don't have more (I'm sure that'll change, my scans are only two months old).

Just out of curiosity, what area in Texas did your points move to?